Very inciteful. I've always thought that many times when two smart people have differing views that the truth is somewhere in-between. I think you have found 'a path through'. Your last sentence summarizes things very well IMHO. "Therefore, predestination does not negate our free will, whatever, exactly, that is, because our free will has always been wrapped up in Gods sovereignty in all things, and it is therefore that will of ours which is seen here as limited, and not God's sovereignty."
‘with our imperfect minds, and our imperfect reason, and our imperfect perspective we cannot fathom what it is to be both all-knowing and still have free will. Our very conceptualization of free will prohibits this, as it, to us, implicates an inherent state of unknowing to exercise agency.’
‘What I am suggesting, then, is actually quite simple, and wholly unsatisfying intellectually: humility.’
That last one is key to the healthy embracing of boundaries & limits - in direct opposition to the Marxist Gnostic limitless Freedom, unbounded ‘journey’ toward ‘becoming Perfected’ (Transhuman)
Indeed. The whole program I'm working with revolves around anti-utopianism. I think that instinct is inherent to fallen man as he feels unsuited to this fallen world - having been made for Eden - but without acceptance he remains vulnerable to the same lies that date to the fall.
Excellent description of our human nature. Exactly why boundaries are vital to our flourishing & ‘liberation from them’ so often results in our enslavement.
Very inciteful. I've always thought that many times when two smart people have differing views that the truth is somewhere in-between. I think you have found 'a path through'. Your last sentence summarizes things very well IMHO. "Therefore, predestination does not negate our free will, whatever, exactly, that is, because our free will has always been wrapped up in Gods sovereignty in all things, and it is therefore that will of ours which is seen here as limited, and not God's sovereignty."
Great thinking!
Thanks! This line of thought is significantly informing my theology in interesting ways.
Love these excerpts:
‘with our imperfect minds, and our imperfect reason, and our imperfect perspective we cannot fathom what it is to be both all-knowing and still have free will. Our very conceptualization of free will prohibits this, as it, to us, implicates an inherent state of unknowing to exercise agency.’
‘What I am suggesting, then, is actually quite simple, and wholly unsatisfying intellectually: humility.’
That last one is key to the healthy embracing of boundaries & limits - in direct opposition to the Marxist Gnostic limitless Freedom, unbounded ‘journey’ toward ‘becoming Perfected’ (Transhuman)
Indeed. The whole program I'm working with revolves around anti-utopianism. I think that instinct is inherent to fallen man as he feels unsuited to this fallen world - having been made for Eden - but without acceptance he remains vulnerable to the same lies that date to the fall.
Excellent description of our human nature. Exactly why boundaries are vital to our flourishing & ‘liberation from them’ so often results in our enslavement.
Thank you. Free will and free agency.... lots of room for thought there among these two different concepts. God can do all his Holy will.